This will be long, but I need some help and am praying someone can advise me what to do. As you all know . . we have been in Ohio about 6 weeks now, the first 32 days in a long stay hotel and all was well with my poos. Since setteling into our home, they have had a bout of diarrhea and vomiting which lasted 2 days and passed. On Sunday afternoon I noticed Sami was swallowing a lot and Slobbering a LOT. He was dripping slobber onto his legs and his chin was soaked. I let him out and he had very watery projectile diarrhea. I had fed them both some smoked salmon and thought this upset his tummy. I called the Emergency Vet and she said make sure he was drinking water and watch him. NOT much help there. On Monday morning he seemed fine, no slobbering ... playing normal. Last night he began slobbering again . . coughing a bit and the diarrhea was back also. During the night he had diarrhea twice in the house and vomited twice also. I took him into the Vet at 10am and he said his bottom check with poop under the microscope was negative for blood or white blood cells. He looked briefly into his throat and said he didnt see anything, his temp. was normal. He gave him an injection for nausea and vomiting, Metronitrozole tabs every 12 hrs and 75cc of fluid under his skin and said do not feed him all day, not even water. He is lethargic, but not totally down, he will get up and go out to pee, then lays back down again, still occasionally will cough and gag a little. At this point I am wondering if something is stuck further down his throat the Vet could not see? I looked with a flashlight and could not see anything. The kicker is Carley also vomited last night!!! She seems fine and so far her poop is normal. I made them both skip breakfast, now lunch. I made mention of Carley vomiting also to the Vet, but did not have her with me. He said to let her skip 2 meals, feed her small amount tonight. She is not slobbering like he is. So now I'm totally confused?? Could the salmon have made them both sick? Even 2 days later?? Possibly Sami was sick from that more than her . . . but the slobbering??? Why is he doing that? The Vet had no answers for me with that question, just basically treating the symptoms. They are both now laying around . . Carley does not seem to notice she has not eaten . . and she is a hearty eater??? I don't know what to do or think at this point. I have racked my brain for answers . . their dry kibble was in storage for 32 days and I wondered if it was overheated and possibly not good any more?? I have thrown the bag away, but bought 50lb as I have to order it (Fromm) and they have always been fine with it . . . until now maybe? Does kibble go sour?? Other than the bits of salmon, nothing else has changed in their diet. I asked the Vet about the kibble and he said he wasent sure, maybe just dump the remainder and start them on something different since they are fasting now and all will be out of their system by tomorrow. Lord . . I'm stumped and hope somebody cane give me advise??
Sami is sick and I need your help!!!
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This will be long, but I need some help and am praying someone can advise me what to do. As you all know . . we have been in Ohio about 6 weeks now, the first 32 days in a long stay hotel and all was well with my poos. Since setteling into our home, they have had a bout of diarrhea and vomiting which lasted 2 days and passed. On Sunday afternoon I noticed Sami was swallowing a lot and Slobbering a LOT. He was dripping slobber onto his legs and his chin was soaked. I let him out and he had very watery projectile diarrhea. I had fed them both some smoked salmon and thought this upset his tummy. I called the Emergency Vet and she said make sure he was drinking water and watch him. NOT much help there. On Monday morning he seemed fine, no slobbering ... playing normal. Last night he began slobbering again . . coughing a bit and the diarrhea was back also. During the night he had diarrhea twice in the house and vomited twice also. I took him into the Vet at 10am and he said his bottom check with poop under the microscope was negative for blood or white blood cells. He looked briefly into his throat and said he didnt see anything, his temp. was normal. He gave him an injection for nausea and vomiting, Metronitrozole tabs every 12 hrs and 75cc of fluid under his skin and said do not feed him all day, not even water. He is lethargic, but not totally down, he will get up and go out to pee, then lays back down again, still occasionally will cough and gag a little. At this point I am wondering if something is stuck further down his throat the Vet could not see? I looked with a flashlight and could not see anything. The kicker is Carley also vomited last night!!! She seems fine and so far her poop is normal. I made them both skip breakfast, now lunch. I made mention of Carley vomiting also to the Vet, but did not have her with me. He said to let her skip 2 meals, feed her small amount tonight. She is not slobbering like he is. So now I'm totally confused?? Could the salmon have made them both sick? Even 2 days later?? Possibly Sami was sick from that more than her . . . but the slobbering??? Why is he doing that? The Vet had no answers for me with that question, just basically treating the symptoms. They are both now laying around . . Carley does not seem to notice she has not eaten . . and she is a hearty eater??? I don't know what to do or think at this point. I have racked my brain for answers . . their dry kibble was in storage for 32 days and I wondered if it was overheated and possibly not good any more?? I have thrown the bag away, but bought 50lb as I have to order it (Fromm) and they have always been fine with it . . . until now maybe? Does kibble go sour?? Other than the bits of salmon, nothing else has changed in their diet. I asked the Vet about the kibble and he said he wasent sure, maybe just dump the remainder and start them on something different since they are fasting now and all will be out of their system by tomorrow. Lord . . I'm stumped and hope somebody cane give me advise??
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Oh, Nanci! I'm no help, but wanted to give you support through this. Hope Sami and Carley are back to normal soon. I'm sure someone will be on with useful advice.:hug:
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Is it possible you have any poisonous plants in your garden in your new home? Things like Ivy and many others can cause sickness and diarrhoea and drooling. Google a poisonous plant list (I would but it's difficult to copy and paste links from my phone)
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Hi Nanci, what a nightmare! Dogs slobber excessively when they feel nauseous. It can also be a sign that they've eaten something poisonous - is there any chance Sami could have picked something up in the garden? But, if Carley is sick too my guess would be the salmon could be the cause. Not much in the way of advice except look out for signs of dehydration - skin loses it's elasticity when you scruff them and gums are dry (surprised the vet suggested no water!). If they do show signs get back on to the vet sharpish. Hope they're both better soon.
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As owners we worry and I know the vets don't know our dogs but if the vets not overly worried then I don't think I would be ....come on Nanci use those nursing and mommy skills 
....no temp, no blood, no white blood cells so very positive news and I think I'd eliminate an obstruction if Carley seems off too.
When you start feeding I'd do small meals every two to three hours so as not to overload maybe chicken and rice or scrambled egg but several very small portions possibly probiotic yogurt.
He's passing urine and not too lethargic which is good but you know your doggies just observe and annoy that vet if you think they deteriorate .
I'm sure they'll feel brighter tomorrow fingers crossed xxxxx
....no temp, no blood, no white blood cells so very positive news and I think I'd eliminate an obstruction if Carley seems off too. When you start feeding I'd do small meals every two to three hours so as not to overload maybe chicken and rice or scrambled egg but several very small portions possibly probiotic yogurt.
He's passing urine and not too lethargic which is good but you know your doggies just observe and annoy that vet if you think they deteriorate .
I'm sure they'll feel brighter tomorrow fingers crossed xxxxx
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Slippery elm is ment to be good for clearing up diarrhoea you should be able to find it in your local health food shop, I think it comes in a couple of different forms, in a powder, a captual and a packet that can be made into a kinda porridge.
I think a lot of raw feeders use it.
The slobbering I'm not sure of, if you vet has checked his mouth then I'd say their isn't anything there, however if he is feeling sick but not eating then he has nothing to throw up so it's maybe just his body's way of reacting to the inability to being sick.
I would maybe keep him of food again to night and then try him with something tomorrow, aether the slippery elm or some bland boiled fish and rice. Very small meal. You can pick up the wee thermometers anywhere and keep an eye on his temp and keep a heck on his gum colour, if he still isn't right tomorrow or the day after it way be an idea to ask the vet for some antibiotics.
My delta was on a drip for a day a back in march because she had a tummy bug that I couldn't shift, she had no appetite purge tile vomit (no retching she just vomited then backed off scared like is he hadn't expected it) she went 4-5 days with not food staying down when I did get her to take something.
But after the antibiotics she perked up. But in our case it was only delta that was ill the other 3 were not ill in anyway.
I think a lot of raw feeders use it.
The slobbering I'm not sure of, if you vet has checked his mouth then I'd say their isn't anything there, however if he is feeling sick but not eating then he has nothing to throw up so it's maybe just his body's way of reacting to the inability to being sick.
I would maybe keep him of food again to night and then try him with something tomorrow, aether the slippery elm or some bland boiled fish and rice. Very small meal. You can pick up the wee thermometers anywhere and keep an eye on his temp and keep a heck on his gum colour, if he still isn't right tomorrow or the day after it way be an idea to ask the vet for some antibiotics.
My delta was on a drip for a day a back in march because she had a tummy bug that I couldn't shift, she had no appetite purge tile vomit (no retching she just vomited then backed off scared like is he hadn't expected it) she went 4-5 days with not food staying down when I did get her to take something.
But after the antibiotics she perked up. But in our case it was only delta that was ill the other 3 were not ill in anyway.
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Hi Nanci, so sorry poor Sami is sick, did you say you told your vet they ate smoked salmon - I'm sure you did and the checks the vet did were for this but I have just been googling and it appears dogs can get very sick from smoked salmon although rare, google salmon poisoning in dogs - I'm sorry as it will frighten you but I think its very important you ask your vet about this - good luck and i'm sorry as I know this info will worry you but thought I would point it out as it says it must be treated.
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Nanci just saw this now so sorry to hear that Sami is sick. I cant really offer any advice but just wanted to let you know that I am thinking of you! It could be the salmon if they are both not feeling well. Is he in any pain...I hope he will get better soon. I know what it feels like to not know what is wrong with your poo. Is there any other vets in the area that you can go to for a second opinion.
Did they do any x-rays to see if there was anything blocking him sending you all hugs!:hug:
Found this online about vomiting and diarrhea
Diarrhea or vomiting that is persistent - Repeated or continuous vomiting or diarrhea, with or without blood, could be a sign of poisoning, an intestinal obstruction, or acute gastrointestinal infection. Dehydration is a major concern, especially in small dogs. Contact your veterinarian if you observe blood in the stool, if the vomiting or diarrhea persists beyond six to twelve hours or if your pet becomes less responsive or weak. Abdominal distension and repeated, unproductive attempts at vomiting are often an early indication of Gastric Dilatation and Volvulus. If you notice your dog repeatedly trying to vomit, DO NOT WAIT - get to the veterinarian immediately.
Contact your veterinarian before administering human medications. Do not force your pet to drink or eat. You may inadvertently give something that worsens your pet's condition.
Did they do any x-rays to see if there was anything blocking him sending you all hugs!:hug:
Found this online about vomiting and diarrhea
Diarrhea or vomiting that is persistent - Repeated or continuous vomiting or diarrhea, with or without blood, could be a sign of poisoning, an intestinal obstruction, or acute gastrointestinal infection. Dehydration is a major concern, especially in small dogs. Contact your veterinarian if you observe blood in the stool, if the vomiting or diarrhea persists beyond six to twelve hours or if your pet becomes less responsive or weak. Abdominal distension and repeated, unproductive attempts at vomiting are often an early indication of Gastric Dilatation and Volvulus. If you notice your dog repeatedly trying to vomit, DO NOT WAIT - get to the veterinarian immediately.
Contact your veterinarian before administering human medications. Do not force your pet to drink or eat. You may inadvertently give something that worsens your pet's condition.
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Poor Sami and poor you. My first thing was something in the yard they are not use to. We have a lot if mushrooms around right now.
I really hope it works out soon. We often have to give Jake half a pepcid. He has a very delicate tummy.
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Thank you all so much! I will check the vegitation in the yard right away . . did look up salmon poisning and did tell the Vet about that, I think thats why he put him on Metronidazole . . those articles scared me to death! He does not seem to be in pain at all . . Vet palpated his tummy deeply and he did not object. They have both been sleeping most of the day so far . . his drooling has lightened up quite a bit . . that may be because of the injection. I did give him some sips of water as I could not justify no food AND no water . . but he gave him fluid below the skin he said would sustain him thru today as far as fluids go. His gums are pink and just a tad sticky so he is dry, but not dehydrated. No further vomiting or diarrhea since early morning, but the worst episodes have happened after 6pm, so praying lots. I decited on my own not to feed any more of the dry kibble they have always had and heres why . . . they eat Fromm and have done well on it for months, but I have to order it and its expensive for shipping so I bought a 50lb bag. I took enough with me for the move and the time we were in the Hotel . . the rest went to storage. I'm fearing the storage facility was boiling hot during 32 days of storage and may possibly of bred some bacteria within the enclosed bag?? Like I said I'm racking my brain to eliminate every negative I can think of! Since they have been starved for 24 hrs . . if that was a contribuiting factor . . now is the time to eliminate it in my mind. We already stopped giving them tap water as it is filtered thru a salt system here and that made them sick the first time . . but the bottled water ive given them has "Minerals" in it . . . so im changing to pure spring water on that too. I've got to get to the bottom of this as its breaking my heart to see him so very miserable and nauseated. I thank you all again as you and my Freddy are the only ones that understand the deep love and concern we have for our babies and when I cant wrap my head around an answer it drives me crazy!! Karen . . I'm really trying to tap my nursing skills . . its definately GI as his bowel sounds are very hyperactive . . I used my stethoscope . . but I can hear his tummy rumbling without it!! It could be a combination of something in the garden, the smoked salmon, the weather change, new house etc etc. I'm definately eliminating each thing I think of . . Kendal . . there is ivy growing on the ground around the trees that they play in . . its got roundish small leaves on it . . pine trees and lots of bushes not in bloom at the moment, the previous owners had a cockapoo and they mentioned he has allergies . . but nothing about the vegetation? I will try to look up that running vine. We dont have any potted plants inside at all, but they did dump potted plant soil under a tree they walk through . . thats a thought also ...dont know how to remedy that as it is spread out over a large area . . will think about that too. Many thanks again . . if you think of any thing else, please post it.
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This must be so distressing for you! It's a good sign that their gums are pink-apparently they should pink up within 2seconds of applying gentle pressure on the gums-this shows adequate hydration. I hope all settles down quickly for you. I think the metronidazole can have side effects of making them feel grotty but definitely stick with it in case they do have a nasty bug. Our thoughts are with you x
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I wish I could help, but everybody has covered everything I could think of. Hopefully it is a tiny bit of solace as you sit and wait for them to recover to know that many people on both sides of the Atlantic are sending their very best and warmest wishes your way for a speedy and complete recovery. I think we can all imagine a bit how horrible it must be to see them sick and feel helpless. Hopefully things will look brighter very soon!
Hopefully it is a tiny bit of solace as you sit and wait for them to recover to know that many people on both sides of the Atlantic are sending their very best and warmest wishes your way for a speedy and complete recovery. I think we can all imagine a bit how horrible it must be to see them sick and feel helpless. Hopefully things will look brighter very soon!
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Yes it is comforting to know Sami and Carley are being thought of and prayed for!!! Kendal may have hit an important point!!! I looked up all plants and the one on English and vineing Ivy leaves causes HYPERSALIVATION . . DIARRHEA . . AND VOMITING!!! OMG . . thank you soooo much . . . we have an area in the back garden under some trees that is covered in vineing ivy and they love to roll in it!! It may take an entire day but that junk is comming up!!!! Until then I will keep them in their harness or take them to the back area of the yard. This may not be the only problem, but with fasting for a day with meds, changing their food due to long time in storage . . and keeping them away from the ivy . . . this may help . . thank you so much Kendal and everybody for all the ideas to work on . . . I knew I could depend on my friends here to help!!!! Sami has perked up some and not salivating, no vomiting with the fasting and no diarrhea (nothing to poop out right now) fingers crossed for a turn around.
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