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Sorry Donna I don't mean to disagree with you at all:eek: BUT I would be wary of leaving a puppy with a breeder up to the age of 12/13 weeks. This is a very important time in puppyhood and during this time it is best to expose your puppy to lots of different things, places, noises, people etc. I doubt even the best of breeders would be able to commit the time and effort this requires, plus they will not know the situations that may be unique to your house or lifestyle and so will not be able to do this on your behalf.
It is hard work and I am afraid there aren't really any short cuts but it is soooo worth it in the end. All the hard work, worry and stress melts away when you go on a lovely long walk with your companion :)
I will have to disagree with you on this Karen as a friend picked up her 12 week old puppy from her breeder last week (work commitments of year end at the end of March meaning she couldn't take time off before April) and her puppy Rosie has been amazing. Yes the first couple of walks she was a little bit timid as she hadn't been exposed to the noises of a town before this, but she has settled in so well with my friend and nothing has phased her yet and she's been to the stables to get used to horses, sat outside Windsor Castle for the changing of the guards, been played with by friends children, had a day with me and Betty, met all types of dogs out walking (and played with them also!).

I know my friend was worried about getting a 12 week puppy but it really hasn't been an issue at all. Even with crate training she has settled so perfectly into using it even though she wasn't in a crate at the breeders. She takes herself off to her crate when she feels like it and this morning my friend had to wake her up at 7.15 as she was still asleep in her crate!!

So whilst there are pros and cons for getting a puppy at 12 weeks, please don't think it's impossible as it really isn't and there are definite benefits in that you can walk the puppy straight away.
 

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I think it depends on the temperament of the puppy - we have friends who brought home their puppy at eleven weeks and at seven months she now barks at children, cyclists, runners... you name it!
 

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She isn't actually - she's a sausage dog called Bangers :) There are photos of her on my blog.
 

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What a coincidence!

I appreciate it isn't a direct comparison and that many people have had no problems bringing their puppy home at 11-12 weeks however, the likelihood that Champneys will find a breeder who does all the right health tests, whose whelping methods she's happy with, who will have a puppy ready within her desired timeframe AND who will look after and socialise her in the way comparible to a family pet is unlikely. Just my opinion though and I've love to be proven wrong :)
 

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Thanks Turi,I have decided to look into Corrinne in Maldon and Sally in Andover.Now I need to get prepared and have a game plan for such things as crate and toilet training.Any advice welcome:)) Turi how do you deal with toilet training and socialising an 8 week old unvaccinated puppy.I want to be able to take her to school etc?
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Toilet trainingPersonally we decided not to use puppy pads and so spread vet bedding across the entire base of Saffi’s crate at night. She did have accidents on the first couple of nights but I believe that if a litter has been paper trained you’re giving the puppy conflicting messages by putting paper (or puppy pads) in the crate at night – i.e. keep clean in here but here is something for you to pee on if you can’t! Puppy pads omit an odour that encourages puppies to pee.

We put Saffi in her crate around 10.30pm and ignored all crying. We went down at 3am to take her to the loo and then straight upstairs until around 6.30am. She cried A LOT on the first couple of nights but within a week she was willingly going into her crate at night and during the day when she was tired.

During the day we took her outside every half an hour and stood still until she went to the loo. We said the word ‘toilet’ when she went for a wee or poo and gave her lots of praise. She did have accidents in the house – all puppies will – but we didn’t make a big deal or scold her. Puppies aren’t being ‘naughty’ – they just can’t keep it in and don’t always know the rules immediately. Make sure you clear up accidents effectively – if you’ve carpet downstairs then you need to use biological washing liquid – if the smell remains then puppies are more likely to return to that spot.

We have a puppy gate at the bottom of our stairs. I feel you’re more likely to succeed with house training if you can always keep an eye on your puppy. And in any case our cats needed somewhere to escape to in the early days!

The secret is to be patient and realistic – if you come to terms with the fact that there will be accidents in the early days you’re less likely to beat yourself up about it or panic that something is going wrong.

SocialisationWe carried Saffi everywhere. She came on the bus, in the car, to friends/family’s houses, to the vet, on the tube, to the pub, along busy roads, to the corner shop, we introduced her to friends’ vaccinated dogs, we washed and blowdried her, we vacuumed, we took her to a local school at the end of the school day, Marcus watched a noisy rugby game… anything that you’ll want your adult dog to be accustomed to I’d do as early as possible!
 

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Toilet trainingPersonally we decided not to use puppy pads and so spread vet bedding across the entire base of Saffi’s crate at night. She did have accidents on the first couple of nights but I believe that if a litter has been paper trained you’re giving the puppy conflicting messages by putting paper (or puppy pads) in the crate at night – i.e. keep clean in here but here is something for you to pee on if you can’t! Puppy pads omit an odour that encourages puppies to pee.

We put Saffi in her crate around 10.30pm and ignored all crying. We went down at 3am to take her to the loo and then straight upstairs until around 6.30am. She cried A LOT on the first couple of nights but within a week she was willingly going into her crate at night and during the day when she was tired.

During the day we took her outside every half an hour and stood still until she went to the loo. We said the word ‘toilet’ when she went for a wee or poo and gave her lots of praise. She did have accidents in the house – all puppies will – but we didn’t make a big deal or scold her. Puppies aren’t being ‘naughty’ – they just can’t keep it in and don’t always know the rules immediately. Make sure you clear up accidents effectively – if you’ve carpet downstairs then you need to use biological washing liquid – if the smell remains then puppies are more likely to return to that spot.

We have a puppy gate at the bottom of our stairs. I feel you’re more likely to succeed with house training if you can always keep an eye on your puppy. And in any case our cats needed somewhere to escape to in the early days!

The secret is to be patient and realistic – if you come to terms with the fact that there will be accidents in the early days you’re less likely to beat yourself up about it or panic that something is going wrong.

SocialisationWe carried Saffi everywhere. She came on the bus, in the car, to friends/family’s houses, to the vet, on the tube, to the pub, along busy roads, to the corner shop, we introduced her to friends’ vaccinated dogs, we washed and blowdried her, we vacuumed, we took her to a local school at the end of the school day, Marcus watched a noisy rugby game… anything that you’ll want your adult dog to be accustomed to I’d do as early as possible!
 

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So lovely that everyone feels comfortable enough to share such personal experiences in order to help others out. Puppies are hard work but so much fun, but like people say it quickly gets easier its like having a new baby and you are shattered. As for cuddles how can you not !! Im trying to post now sitting under two cockapoos.. cuts down on the heating costs though. Hope your searches come to fruition.
Unless Breeders Online have changed their criteria, not meaning to dis the site as it has its uses I dont think it has criteria as dogs on there are not all PRA tested and I know of one advertising at the moment that has had 3 litters in the last 20 months. You still need to ask your questions of these breeders and do your research. x
 

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Thanks Turi,I have decided to look into Corrinne in Maldon and Sally in Andover.Now I need to get prepared and have a game plan for such things as crate and toilet training.Any advice welcome:)) Turi how do you deal with toilet training and socialising an 8 week old unvaccinated puppy.I want to be able to take her to school etc?
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Hi, just to let you know that our Ruby came from Sally Ruane in Andover, she has four pups available for viewing this weekend, I believe at £800 each.

Totally different parents from our girl, Mum looks like a Lemon Roan

:)

Ian
 
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