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I'm confused - is this a UK club or American? I just looked at the Cockapoo info page - membership fee is in US$ before £, height and weight are imperial not metric, spelling is American and it says that tails may be docked - isn't that illegal in the UK unless dogs are working?
Is the club aimed at breeders, what are the benefits for pet owners to join?
 

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I see, I have looked through a bit more, it seems to be a "branch" of the American club. The email address in the contact section is in the US, do you know anyone in the UK who is involved with it?
 

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I don't see anything about required health tests for parents or anything else which would impress me if I was looking for a puppy? It looks like a marketing tool to me?
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I supplied some content on health testing although I am not directly involved in the website itself, but it sounds like a good idea to have info on parents health testing. xxx
 

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Hi all

I supplied some content on health testing although I am not directly involved in the website itself, but it sounds like a good idea to have info on parents health testing. xxx
Sorry JoJo - I did see your information and thought it was very helpful - but for a club to have real value to people buying pups I would expect there to be a requirement for parents to be health tested to some degree - otherwise it appears to me that it gives the appearance of having standards - whilst really achieving nothing.
 
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kendal , all things cost money to start up the club is offering registration for breeding dogs and the puppies enabling us to keep a data base so for future generations of cockapoos will be correct we want to eliminate bad breeders ? and puppy farms and pet shop dogs ? yes we want a code of ethics a list of 5 star breeders that people in the uk can go to and no they will be treated fairly please please give it a fair crack of the whip i have joined and wish to promote the well bred cockapoo but i to am still learning it may go flat on its face but please dont be negative a lot of effort has gone in to this club janice
 
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quote:::Sorry JoJo - I did see your information and thought it was very helpful - but for a club to have real value to people buying pups I would expect there to be a requirement for parents to be health tested to some degree - otherwise it appears to me that it gives the appearance of having standards - whilst really achieving nothing.

read the rules and regulations for health testing ? we can add to it this club is in its infant stages help us please work together janice
 

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Maybe I am missing something - I have read the code of ethics and see nothing there about any health tests:

Breeders/Owners:
Will properly house, feed, water and exercise all dogs under their care and arrange for appropriate veterinary attention if and when required.
Will agree without reservation that any veterinary surgeon performing an operation on any of their dogs which alters the natural conformation of the animal, or who carries out a caesarean section on a bitch, may report such operation to the uk Club.
Will agree that no healthy puppy will be culled. Puppies which may not conform to the Breed Standard should be placed in suitable homes.
Will abide by all aspects of the Animal Welfare Act. Do not breed from a bitch every season and must be at least 18 months old and had two seasons.
Will not create demand for, nor supply, puppies that have been docked illegally.
Will agree not to breed from a dog or bitch which could be in any way harmful to the dog or to the breed.
Will not allow any of their dogs to roam at large or to cause a nuisance to neighbours or those carrying out official duties.
Will ensure that their dogs wear properly tagged collars and be microchiped and will be kept leashed or under effective control when away from home.
Will clean up after their dogs in public places or anywhere their dogs are being exhibited.
Will only sell dogs where there is a reasonable expectation of a happy and healthy life and will help with the re-homing of a dog if the initial circumstances change.
Will supply written details of all dietary requirements and give guidance concerning responsible ownership when placing dogs in a new home.
Will ensure that all relevant Kennel documents are provided to the new owner when selling or transferring a dog, and will agree, in writing, to forward any relevant documents at the earliest opportunity, if not immediately available.
Will not sell any dog to commercial dog wholesalers, retail pet dealers or directly or indirectly allow dogs to be given as a prize or donation in a competition of any kind. Will not sell by sale or auction registration certificates as stand alone items (not accompanying a dog).
Will not knowingly misrepresent the characteristics of the breed nor falsely advertise dogs nor mislead any person regarding the health or quality of a dog.
Breach of these provisions may result in expulsion from club membership, and/or disciplinary action by the Uk Club and/or reporting to the relevant authorities for legal action, as appropriate.
 

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Sorry JoJo - I did see your information and thought it was very helpful - but for a club to have real value to people buying pups I would expect there to be a requirement for parents to be health tested to some degree - otherwise it appears to me that it gives the appearance of having standards - whilst really achieving nothing.

I undertstand your point, my article was all about health testing for breeding cockapoos, and as you know I have offered to do articles for anyone requiring info ...

I think Shirley and Sarah were talking about doing a register too but not sure where they are with their plans.

I am happy to support anything that supports good health testing. xxx
 

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It looks good and I hope it does take off as we need something to promote good and safe breeding of cockapoos.

Just a couple of points though, I think it would have been a good idea to send e mails to breeders well before going live, as it looks a bit sparse with only one breeder on board. It seems a bit more consultation would have been a good thing in that department.

Also how and who is going to police and visit breeding establishments to ensure all of the conditions are adhered too?
 

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I have sent a email saying we want it stated. requirement for parents to be health tested if we all help I think it could be great xx
Ok - apologies for being negative - having just had a browse round the web of different breeds codes of ethics it looks like most of them have been lifted straight from the Kennel Club code of ethics. The standard poodle club have some great looking codes of ethics which look like a better template.

http://standardpoodleclub.com/ethics.html

To ensure that both sire and dam are of a suitable temperament and type; currently have SA normal reports, are in sound health and construction; and seek to establish a mode of inheritance of diseases (testing wherever possible under the existing schemes) to preserve, safeguard and improve the characteristics of the breed.

To breed only with consideration for the breed’s welfare and not for commercial remuneration.

To keep puppies in the precinct of their home environment, or securely protected until the age of eight weeks, or fully inoculated.

To ensure all purchasers of puppies are fully aware of the characteristics of the Standard Poodle; paying special attention to grooming, clipping cost, exercise and feeding. And to never leave it on is own all day.

Never to mate or breed from a bitch under the age of two years, or over eight years of age. Bitches to be limited to four litters in their breeding lifespan, with a rest of at least one season between matings.

Not to breed a litter unless care and attention can be assured for the bitch’s welfare at all times, with proper facilities for health and security for both bitch and puppies. (A person with a full time occupation is not in a suitable position to breed).

STUD DOG OWNERS - With respect to the use of, Stud Dog owning Members of the Standard Poodle Club agree:

To be stringent in the assessment of the suitability of their dog to produce puppies of good temperament which will be a credit to the breed in type, health and soundness.
To test the stud dogs, wherever possible, for hereditary disease under existing schemes.
To ensure that the bitch is sound, healthy and is tested, wherever possible, under existing schemes for hereditary disease, and is of the appropriate pedigree or quality to produce a desirable litter.
To ensure the owner of the bitch is aware of the responsibility of producing a litter as stated under BREEDING in this Code of Ethics.
To establish the breeders reliability in choosing suitable homes for puppies. Special thought must be taken before agreeing to service a bitch from a pet home.
To retain some responsibility for resulting puppies that may need to be re-housed in their adult life.
 

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what a negative attitude typically british ! why not give it a chance ?
I wouldn't say typically British - it's just people being careful!

As I'm not a breeder and at this time not concidering being one I didn't really look at the site in detail. The principle is a great idea ensuring that breeders can be credited in a grouped database.
Although I am with Kendal to an extent - A UK sole site would be better for the UK.
 

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What's the URL for 'The Cockapoo Club of Great Britain'?
The Cockapoo Club of GB's website is not live yet but we will be showing the work in progress on a blogspot URL to quite a number of contributors for their input. Mandy, I will gladly pm you that blogspot URL if you wish to give some ideas. It is to be tailored to the specific requirements of the UK Cockapoo enthusiasts, owners and breeders.
J xx
 
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