[zed]

Well my baby Jarvis came to me on Wednesday after what seemed a forever wait!!! I love him so much... He's so calm and loving and likes nothing better than a cuddle ...... However at night he has a large crate downstairs with half filled of bed and toys and mummy scented cloth and teddy and a heated teddy and other half toilet training pad. I tire him out, well try to as he's so placid... And let him get in himself following his favourite treat.

He then howls cries and jumps at the cage from the moment I leave him till the time I get up to see him at 5:30... He sounds so distressed... It's been a few nights now, do I give in and get a crate for my bedroom or just ignor him and carry leaving him?

My fear is creating an insecure puppy and would hate that. He is left for 4 hours a morning with a professional dog walker coming in each day to break his boredom and have a play... He still cries then but I don't think as much. Lucky the neighbours can't hear !!!

Any suggestions???

Also cant add any pics of him as the button to attach files won't work. Is it an iPad thing? Xx

 

[Jeanie]

Hi as regards leaving Jarvis crying at night, I would give it another few nights, it's so hard to listen to them cry, I had it for a week solid,
Went down the first 3nights (big mistake) 😁
But once I left Tilly then for the next few nights I think she learned that her cries won't get my attention and it was easier just to go to sleep. (clever pup) !,, ha ha

With the iPad I upload the pics to photo bucket and then copy and paste the img code,

Good luck x


Jeanie x

 

[flounder_1]

Ah your post reminded me of my first post here! We had the same with Lolly and I promise the crying will stop soon. It sounds like you're doing all the right things.

I got really desperate after 5 nights of crying with the 6 night seeming like it was the worst and all night long! So I got advice from here and our vet who we were visiting that day too which was

A DAP spray to spray on her bed just before she went in
We all took turns wearing an old t-shirt and put that in her bed with her
We left the radio on
Tried to really tire her out before bedtime

Lo and behold she slept through the night without a peep on that 7th night!

Give it a little bit longer (wear ear plugs if necessary) and I'm sure she'll settle down and get used to it soon xxx

 

[Broughty]

Hi Zoe

My first post on here was very similar and only a few weeks ago!! I got lots of good advice on here - after being very inconsistent for a few nights we got tough and left him to cry, made sure he had toys, hot water bottle and left a light and a radio on. We also covered his crate with a blanket. He cried for about 10 nights in total which was awful but he got there in the end. I wouldn't worry about making him insecure - so many people comment to us that he is one of the most confident pups they have seen and a real happy chappy.

One mistake we made was having a crate too big - he kept messing his crate because he could get far enough away from it. We changed to a smaller crate and he was clean straight away. But we didn't worry about him being clean until the crying stopped. We did in two stages.

Good luck! As somebody who was in the same position just a few weeks ago I promise it will get better. We couldn't believe it when Alfie first took himself off to his crate to sleep - we thought we'd never get there!!

Sarah xx

 

[zed]

Thank you all so much... Knew I could depend on you all... I shall persist!! His crate is covered however haven't tried the radio! I do have a training pad in there... Is it ok?? or just make it smaller and leave him without (ie divide it) ?? I am worried I am missing him needing the toilet by ignoring his cries xx




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[looby]

Is he using the pad at night?

xx

 

[flounder_1]

We had a smaller crate (a 30" one I think) and Lolly was dry and clean from 8 weeks 1 day. I had vetbed in the crate with a puppy pad underneath but that was more to mop up the water that Lolly spilt until we got a bowl that clipped to the side of the crate. I do think a smaller crate works well. However I also think that all puppies are different like children and some pick up toilet training faster than others!

 

[zed]

He was using it until last night... It was dry this eve x

 

[Turi]

Personally I'd remove the puppy pad from his crate. Crates work because puppies don't want to mess in the confined space of their den. Puppy pads have a scent in them that stimulates a puppy to pee. So unfortunately you're unintentionally giving your puppy mixed messages .

I would remove the pads and spread the vet bedding so it covers the entire base of the crate.

Re the crying - hang on in there. It does get better, I promise. Saffi now takes herself to her crate at around 9.30pm - she loves it!

 

[zed]

Excellent thanks Turi... I shall remove the pad... And make his space smaller just another thing... I work four hours in the morning term time only...is he ok for four hours on his own without toileting.. That will be in three weeks time when the puppy sitter stops coming in xx


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[Carolyne]

This is such a useful thread. These are exactly the same concerns and questions I have for when our pup comes home to us.

Would you recommend from night one that we put the puupy in the crate without a puppy pad and leave her all night (well about 11pm - 6am?? or is that too long)? Or should we get up half way through the night to let her out into the garden?

Hot water bottles are a great idea - do we use just normal ones? Will the puppy bite them (won't they leak?).

So nervous about her coming to use - want to make sure we are all ready and know what to do.

 

[Pollypiglet]

Probably not what has already been advised but I had Hatties crate in my room and if I got up for a comfort break she went out in the garden result we both had a relaxed and comfortable night. I think it is asking a lot of a puppy to hold it all night could you hold on if you really wanted to go? Worked for me. Don't try to make puppy do what 'everyone' says is correct, do what works for you.

 

[Turi]

Excellent thanks Turi... I shall remove the pad... And make his space smaller just another thing... I work four hours in the morning term time only...is he ok for four hours on his own without toileting.. That will be in three weeks time when the puppy sitter stops coming in xx

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Saffi is 12 weeks old on Monday and hasn't yet been left for longer than an hour during the day so I'm not sure if she'd be able to keep it in. I'm sure the same principals would apply to daytime as they would to nighttime though.

If your puppy will be left alone for four hours in the morning I'd suggest getting up and tiring him out with lots of play and mental stimulation before you leave so that he's more likely to settle when you leave

This is such a useful thread. These are exactly the same concerns and questions I have for when our pup comes home to us.

Would you recommend from night one that we put the puupy in the crate without a puppy pad and leave her all night (well about 11pm - 6am?? or is that too long)? Or should we get up half way through the night to let her out into the garden?

Hot water bottles are a great idea - do we use just normal ones? Will the puppy bite them (won't they leak?).

So nervous about her coming to use - want to make sure we are all ready and know what to do.

Carolyne for the first three nights we went to bed between 10.30pm and 11pm, woke at 3am to let her out for a wee/poo and then woke up at around 6.30am. We were walking zombies but it wasn't long before she was clean overnight so it's worth it long-term. Now at just under 12 weeks she will last from 10.30pm to 6.45am... though the other night we went to bed really early at 9.30pm and she still lasted until 6.45am. Proud Mummy moment

We didn't use hot water bottles - I was worried about her chewing them. We left a toy, a piece of blanket that our breeder gave us from the litter bed (it was rather stinky btw!), her vet bedding and covered her crate with a blanket. We don't cover her crate anymore though.

Don't be nervous - you sound so organised!

 

[susanb]

Turi - just wondering about covering the crate. You said you no longer cover saffi's crate & I was just wondering why? We assumed that we always keep it covered. Thanks.

 

[Janev1000]

I might just leave the pad for a couple more nights just to be sure. It didn't create a habit for Biscuit and once it was dry it remained dry from then on but it just gave me peace of mind at night that he wasn't getting distressed because he couldn't go anywhere if he wanted to. I used to put him to bed around 11pm and not go back until 7pm - with ear plugs for me! - so wouldn't have been able to hear him if he had wanted to go anyway. This routine worked very quickly and he soon remained as 'quiet as a mouse' until we came down in the morning. We're usually the ones to wake him now!

 

[Janev1000]

I always cover Biscuit's crate with a dark grey blanket - especially now it's getting lighter in the mornings! I always cover it when I go out too as he seems to settle quicker with it and I think it makes him feel more secure - as if in a den. He used to get more distressed when he could see all around the room. I think the blanket is a signal for him to settle down to sleep. Works for us anyway.

 

[Turi]

Turi - just wondering about covering the crate. You said you no longer cover saffi's crate & I was just wondering why? We assumed that we always keep it covered. Thanks.

We initially put the blanket on the crate to get her to settle as on the first couple of nights she didn't go in there willingly and made a racket. And also because she was being shut in the sitting room with our three cats who've never lived with a dog before. I've a rather over-active imagination and worried the cats would attack Saffi through the bars so the blanket was for her protection (they've never attacked her btw ).

Now she walks in by herself and because she doesn't make a peep until we go down we don't bother covering her crate with a blanket - it seems unneccessary.

You'll find a method that suits you - each puppy is different

 

[zed]

Well he was much better last night however messed in his crate, poo and wee so I definitely need to wake and relieve him halfway through. He was quiet with the radio on and I put a large cardboard box in his crate to cut the size to half ... Fingers crossed

He is going to be very tired when I leave for work as come rain or shine he will be walked every morning so gutted Easter half term he won't be able to walk till the last weekend :-( still, we have a lifetime of walks on Dartmoor and can't wait to take him to the beach xx

 

[Pollypiglet]

Well he was much better last night however messed in his crate, poo and wee so I definitely need to wake and relieve him halfway through. He was quiet with the radio on and I put a large cardboard box in his crate to cut the size to half ... Fingers crossed

He is going to be very tired when I leave for work as come rain or shine he will be walked every morning so gutted Easter half term he won't be able to walk till the last weekend :-( still, we have a lifetime of walks on Dartmoor and can't wait to take him to the beach xx

Just don't expect too much to soon. Every pup is different and they have to fit in with your lifestyle. I always do as many toilet breaks as I can Hattie has it pretty much sused but if I get poo 2 at the end of June we will be starting all over again. If you want a walk let me know beach restrictions usually end at end of April but we can travel and as you know Hattie is well up for company!

 

[designsbyisis]

As everyone said - different things work for different people. I always pop a blanket over at night to hopefully give the signal that its bedtime now. We don't use a puppy pad, but always leave a square of newspaper in. Dexter does seem to poop/pee sometimes just before we get down to him. We think that he can hear the kids bouncing around upstairs & just can't quite hold it due to excitement ! Hopefully soon we'll be able to get rid of it, but there's no rush.

We've been lucky & he never cried though at night for more than 10 minutes. He occasionally does if he's been crated during the day but I just ignore him.