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Hi all,

Today is day 3 with little Elliott. Or is it 4? My brain is mush. We are exhaaaaaaausted. He is the sweetest little pup and loves us to death. He'll just lay on me and fall right asleep. My heart's been stolen.

But we are having a tough time with bedtime. He wakes up throughout the night and it's hard to know if it's because he has to "go" or if he's just still not settled in. I ignore some of his cries, but if it's been a while, we let him out to pee.

Here in Michigan, it is FREEZING. I've tried getting him to pee outside but he is so cold. It's in the teens at night; 30s during the day, though it's going up to 40 today.

I've been using pee pads in his pen and playpen and he's on the mark, now. But at yesterday's first vet appt, she said pee pads were no-no's and to get him used to going outside.

He is tiny. 11 weeks today and 4 pounds. So it's hard to predict when he has to pee.

We are at a loss. Oh, and he's crying his heart out as I type because he's in a different room in his pen. I try and ignore it and reward him when he's quiet. But wow, I don't recall it being so hard with a new pup.

Anyone else using pee pads and successfuly transferring their dog to the yard? Or should I bite the bullet and forget the pee pads? I just know he won't go when it's bitter cold, especially at night. When do you ignore the nighttime cries and when do you take them out to go?

Here's a pix taken Saturday when we brought him home. That's my youngest daughter holding him.


...and here's the photo album I'm putting together for him:
http://s848.photobucket.com/albums/ab42/terrym2442/Elliott Pix to Share/

Any advice from the experts here? I'm soooo tired and unsure how to move forward with his training.
 

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lol remember its a big transition for him too. he has never been away from his litter before.

for prdicting when he needs to pee: after as sleep(as soon as he wakes up) after a drink, after eating, after playing.

not a masive fan of puppy pads as i feel they just teach them to pee in the house, but in the middle of the night i dont see that big a deal using them.

is their a set time he is crying at(remember he is a baby and had a tiny blader) makesure he pees before bed, when you do take him out for pees dont talk to him other than maybe a pee command and a 'good boy' then right back to bed without talking to him. maybe keep a kong filled so when you put him back to bed he has something to focas on rather than crying.

he looks lovely, all puppys are hard work, you just need to settle back into it. what does you portie think of him?
 

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Been waiting patiently to hear out it is going and can see you have your work cut out for you. I looked at your album and he is soooo sweet, such a beautiful colour.

Now don't get too hung up on the vets opinion and there are loads of ways to house train and just about all of them will work!

I actually did what you are doing with Elliot as we brought Flo home in January and it was simply too cold to hang about outdoors waiting for her to wee.

I got a large garden seed tray that was the same size as the puppy pad to put the pad in then would put her there regularly and treat her when she did a wee. I used the words 'hurry up' every time she was doing one and she soon learnt what the command meant. If I replaced the pad I pressed the new one a little on the used one so it kept the wee scent which helped her return to the tray. I moved the tray to different places still using the 'hurry up' command to generalise the command a bit - that way she learnt it was the tray that matters not the area of the room. If she had any accidents out of the tray I sprayed it with 'Get off' to take away the scent and stop her returning to the spot. Now I can't remember the bit where she just started going outside as it was that straight forward! I think I just let her out and said 'hurry up' and she just knew the command and I took her tray away indoors so she didn't go indoors since she learnt she only wee'd indoors in the tray. She had her tray in the utility room at night but then just naturally started to hold on till I let her out in the morning.

Can't help much with the night crying as I was strict about this having only just got my nights (and my bed) back after 3 children. Flo just had a crate (full of cuddly things and a hot water bottle), a small bowl of water and her tray with puppy pad in the utility room and I shut the door and couldn't hear her!! Ahhhhh poor old Flo!!!!! But if you do want him in your bedroom or you want to get up in the night others may be able to suggest regimes that worked for them.

Enjoy Elliot - he looks super
 

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Oh my heavens, what a little sweetheart:) Yes, I know what you are going through, as will most of us on here. Its only a few months since we were at exactly the same stage as you, but now I have got over my nervous breakdown, haha, we are so much more relaxed with our boy. But I remember it so well. Spend the first few weeks with a puppy clamped to parts of my anatomy with his teeth:D I never separated myself from him at all when he was so tiny. And yes, I did use pee pads for a little while, and it didn't really keep Teddy back from house training. When it is so very cold maybe a peepad just inside the door for him to use? Just to save him freezing to death! Michigan sounds like a mighty cold place at the moment.
He is the most adorable wee thing, and you are going to have such fun with him. Good luck in these erly days - they will pass!!
 

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Very Adorable...I know what you mean about the cold...I am north of you....in Canada, Toronto area...so let me just tell you that...he will definetly pee if he has to pee. Lady wouldn't at first...but then got used to it. they will be able to handle the cold...we got lady at about the same age...she didn't want to the first few nights...but I dont think it had anything to do with the cold...but more that she didn't know she was supposed to do it outside....she would wait till we got inside and then pee, eventually she would pee right at the door, and then one day she just got it and now she pees outside...it took longer for her than alot of the pups on here i think....but trust me on the cold issue he will be ok....Lady actually go so accustomed to peeing on the snow that when it started to melt she would search it out to take a pee. Dress warm yourself...it is probably worse for you than him ;)
he is very adorable! I love his name...and his colours!!!
 

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Oh wow, he is so adorable. I can't give you much advice about the toilet training except to agree that you will probably hate the cold more than him. We value our sleep so much that at first we just put Dylan downstairs where there is laminate flooring and cleaned up in the morning. We just concentrated on toilet training during the daytime! But it was hard to get him trained at night doing it that way, even though we didn't lose any sleep.
You are much stronger willed than me keeping him in another room - I'd have to have him with me all the time - I'm like mummy and baby when they're little. In fact come to think of it I'm still like that now! My pup is my constant companion! Have you tried his crate in the room where you're working? Hope your exhaustion eases!
 

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Oh my goodness - he is beautiful! Puppy fate - I told you!

I agree with the others. Not using puppy pads seems to be the way everyone is told to do it nowadays, but back in the day when people used to use newspaper, they didn't end up with un-trained dogs, so it must work! And if you lived in an apartment, it would be the only way. Whatever floats your boat, I say.

If you google 'paper training' and 'puppy', you'll find lots of sites that will help.

Hey, Michigan - isn't that where Buddy the cocker spaniel with the world's longest eyelashes is from?:D
 

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ahhh he is soooo cute! and tiny!
I agree with the advice above... I think you're going to have to take him out if you want him to learn, unfortunately. It's also just the beginning... he will get more used to going out in the cold as he gets used to living with you guys.
 

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Aww, so so cute :)

It's still pretty cold here, cold enough that our snow hasn't melted away yet. Not much of a spring so far. Anyway, we never used pee pads because it was too complicated in my mind, one more step, and I am lazy. I figured since we live in a cold climate, the dog might as well get used to it early ;) We just took Chloe out constantly it seemed and praised her when she went. She was only 8 weeks when we got her and back then she needed to go out twice a night. It WAS exhausting. It just needs to click for them. I think you are doing the right thing, ignoring some of the cries, taking him out for others. I don't think there is one "right" way to do it, do what works for your family. He will be trained in the end, no matter what!

Chloe STILL whines sometimes when she is left alone in a room . She "needs" people near. We spend as much time with her as we can, but sometimes you just have to do things. So much like having a real baby...
 

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Except for one important thing - nappies!!!
haha, but they have diapers for dogs too if you want/need them, right??!! Actually, I just googled it...and they even have diapers for BIRDS!! What did I do before google, all the things I didn't know!
 

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haha, but they have diapers for dogs too if you want/need them, right??!! Actually, I just googled it...and they even have diapers for BIRDS!! What did I do before google, all the things I didn't know!
What, like Budgies? I hope there are pictures - I'm off to google it now.
 

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Haha, sorry, I had to share once I saw it! I still don't believe it.
ahaha no worries, share the bad imagery :) I just don't understand how one would put that on... or how the bird would deal with it... maybe I'm just not really a bird person :)
 

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So funny - It is amazing how quickly these threads deteriorate!

Izzy was so poorly for two months that we had to use the puppy pads. It did take a real effort to train her to use the garden but we succeeded in the end.
 
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