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does anyone have any advice on what i could expect the differences to be between an F1 hybrid and an F2 in regards to looks,temperament and such like it? hope you understand what i mean, im not very good at putting things into words:eek:

what i suppose i mean is is there much difference? lol
 

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Clear answer form JoJo as usual...

Temperament - No
Coat - Yes
Beauty - No


I like all generations and I am lucky enough to own one F1 and two F2's.

It is said that you get the grandfather effect from F2 meaning some pups may favour the grandparents looks. I have seen F1 and F2 litters with differing coats, regarding colours and texture which is the exciting thing about cockapoos.... I like that fact of viewing a cockapoo parent but that is just my opinion... so I would prefer to buy F2 or maybe lucky enough one day to own a F3 :)

Don't rule out any generation ... they are all fab xxxx
 

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I hope that makes sense, you will get loads of differing advice and please take it all ... but just go and see the puppies for yourself.

Oakley F2 looks the spit of his F1 Cockapoo dad, beautiful full curls, lean body (maybe more poodle), lively character... good fun dog and defo all cockapoo.

My F1 looks a brilliant mix looks like mum, light wavy curls, rounder body (maybe more Cocker), gentle lady like character.... a sweetheart to be around and defo all Cockapoo.
 

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lol Awww they all sound yummy:p

and your secrets safe with me:D ive loved and adored all our past dogs, but i admit ive got a special place in my heart for a certain pooch:eek:
 

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thanks for showing me these beautiful examples(aw that 1st pup!:love-eyes: )

i have a better idea what to look for now, but i'll still keep my options open:p
 

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I breed f2s and always explain to my new puppy owners that in an f2 litter there is always one,occasionally 2 pups that will resemble the cocker,these pups will moult and i think its only fair to explain this because many new cockapoo owners have asthma,my daughter does and when she was younger ouldve reacted to one of these pup.However by 4-6 weeks old the cocker type pups in an f2 litter are clearly obvious compared to the rest of the litter( the cockapoo type pups like fallons and jojos) There are some f2 breeders who dont tell new puppy owners and ive seen adverts with what is obviously the throwback pup being sold as non moulting and ....will be curly coated when older....makes me so angry.If buying an f2 puppy ask to see all the pups from 4 weeks onwards and pick a puppy with a thick wavy or curly coat with a hairy face( the throwback pups have smooth cocker noses with no moustache like the cockapoo type pups).Hope this helps xxx
 

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With an F2 litter do you always get a throwback pup? A friend of mine recently bred her first f2 litter and by the time the pups were 6 weeks old, the pups were all so similar it was hard to distinguish a throwback. They were all very 'cockapoo' much like fallons picture.

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I have seen F2 litters which are all very cockapoo.. so the answer would be no, but I have seen F1 litters with one very spaniel looking cockapoo, so in all honesty I think it can happen in any litter :)
 

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I have had 5 f2 litters so far,all have had a spaniel type pup,one litter had 2.A breeder i know in america had an f2 litter with no throwbacks but with regards to the genetic side of things there is meant to be at least one.x
 

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F1 is the most stable and gives what is considered the most consistent result along with the most Hybrid Vigour.

F1b; F2; F2b; F3 etc etc gets less and less stable - and as such are prone to "The Granddad Effect" - though this is not a given and some litters can be all the same - the more extreme litters can result in a pup looking "Cockapoo" a pup looking "Poodle" and a pup looking "Cocker" all from the same litter - no one can breed to a consistent result after F1. And to be totally honest no one can confirm what a litter will end up looking like unless they have mated that specific pairing 2 or 3 times to compare and log the end results.

There is an increasing number of F1b; F2 etc etc Cockapoos being bred and therefor the gene pool is increasing - though you would need to go back through an F3's bloodlines in detail to see is there is any common ancestry - it is possible and the continued desire to proceed down this F1+ route in my own mind would / could ultimately end up with genetic "issues" as much as genetic "marvels" !!!

To me - and I fully accept it is my own personal thought (but hey - is it not why threads like this get commented on ?) - that those going this route may ultimately end up with the same issues the Kennel Club have experienced with Pedigree dogs !!!!!!!

We have established that a "Breed Standard" would be nigh on impossible to achieve with Cockapoo - unless each variation took on it's own "Class" - such as if you only did American Show Cocker to Toy Poodle - you could in effect set a recognisable "type" as You could with a Working Cocker / Miniature Poodle "Type" - THOUGH this opens up another issue with your resultant Cockapoos from each of the two "types" mentioned here get crossed and you have a whole new vein opened up.

100% of people who come to us - mention their interest is for F1 only.
They come here to view our dogs and our set-up - having seen what we produce (on our website) and can see the consistent results we achieve.
Comments made in person and comments read on this forum show clearly that not all breeders are open about their dogs - and all too often the phrase "I wish I knew then what I know now" comes up.

It is totally a case of "Buyer Beware" when searching for Your perfect Cockapoo - as the variables are getting increasingly endless.

Before the "fence sitters" jump in:
An American Show Cocker Spaniel crossed with a Toy Poodle WILL RESULT IN A DIFFERENT COCKAPOO than:
An English Show Cocker Spaniel crossed with a Toy Poodle WHICH WILL ALSO RESULT IN A DIFFERENT DOG to:
A Working Cocker Spaniel crossed with a Miniature Poodle WHICH WOULD ALSO RESULT IN A DIFFERENT DOG when: the parents were swapped over.

Those that don't breed should go visit those that do - as not everything is always as it is written in books - words on pages don't always give you an end result - people breeding should be able to show you end results.

By all means do research though more should be by foot as opposed to by finger ! - by car as opposed to by mouse ! - visit a breeder don't just "click" on them !

Stephen xx
 

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The breeder i got pyper from breeds f4s,every single puppy she has ever had have been perfect cockapoo type.yes i do agree there are throwbacks in f 2 litters possibly occasionally f3s but its actually the opposite and the chances of throwbacks become less the higher up the cross f3 f4 etc.Ive studied muti gen cockapoos for years and having made friends with several american breeders breeding up to f5 none of them get throwbacks after f3,most getting none at all in f3:)
 

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I was wondering how the breeders of the forum feel about F1b cockapoo's? I have personally met one that looked exactly like my F1 cockapoo but with a tighter curl to its coat and it had a lovely personality. Very similar to my Ruby in size and shape. A friend of mine who breeds F1 cockapoo's has also bred F1b and has also found that they were as popular with buyers if not slightly more popular with people who were worried about allergies and what not.
The whole genetics thing really facinates and confusses me at the same time!
J :)
 

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im finding all these replies very interesting:) but im not sure what a F1b is?:eek:
 

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The 'b' just stands for breeding back. It doesn't matter which F generation you have F1, F2, F3, F4 etc if you breed one of these back to either a poodle or a cocker you then add the 'b'.

Julia x
thanks very much for clarifying, i get it now:p
 

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