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Hi to all prospective JD puppy owners and anyone else interested in vaccinations xx

Following the concerns raised over the second vaccinations and the length of time puppies need to be confined before being allowed out into public - I booked an appointment with our vet this morning and had an interesting; open and informative chat.
It must be said that we are regular customers and he is of an "old school" opinion on most things - he is also very open with regards to practises - and I would (and do) trust Him and his practice implicitly with the welfare of ALL our animals - and that includes cats; rabbits and Competition horses as well as our dogs.

He said that nearly all vaccines are in effect the same - it is just the Brand name that changes.
Nearly all Vets are supplied medicines through Agents - and Agents push certain Brands (as in all walks of life).
All vets have access to ALL Brands of medication.
If your Vet does not use Eurican (as our vet does) - and they state that they would have to buy in a minimum of 100 units - this is purely that they are looking to get the best whole-sale price and as such a greater margin ! - again if a vet did buy in another brand they would still be able to use it as normal with other peoples animals (so they would NOT need to get it in just for YOU !).
The majority of "old school" vets would just administer the second jab with whatever brand they have - He also made a point of saying that the strange thing is that even if puppies have been vaccinated with Eurican (both jabs) - when they go back later for the booster - no Vet questions the brand difference then !!!!
If your vet suggests that you have to start all over again - it is either that they do not know that the brands are compatible OR that they realise there is another way of making money from you.

*** As I am not happy to release any puppy without it's first vaccination - I then asked if (for peace of mind) he could buy in Nobivac instead (as nearly all vets knew that Vanguard was OK to use with Eurican) - he is more than happy to do that - so if you could give me an idea of numbers then we can happily and easily switch over to Nobivac too as an alternative for those that ask us xxxxxx


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He stated that:

IF you have a puppy vaccinated at 8 weeks - and your vet OK'd the second jab to be at 12 weeks - it is because this apparently will fully cover 98% of puppies vaccinated - keeping your puppy away from Public places for an extra week is just an extra safe precaution.

IF you have a puppy vaccinated at 8 weeks - and your vet OK'd the second jab to be at 10 weeks - it is because this apparently will fully cover 92% of puppies vaccinated - keeping your puppy away from Public places for an extra week is again just an extra safe precaution.

He also mentioned - Some vets are now of the thinking that puppies could go out straight after the second jab into Public places - people would then just be advised to be extra cautious as to where they go x
Apparently this is because there is a thinking that YOU have as much chance of bringing a higher level of Parvo Virus particles into your home on your shoes as the puppy would be likely to encounter out and about.

BUT He also agreed that it is normally best to follow YOUR vet's advise - as You do need to build a relationship with Your vet xx



On the Parvo Virus issue - he firstly exclaimed that it would be very unlikely to affect us with what we have in place - unless over time we relaxed our own husbandry / hygiene levels dramatically. He also mentioned that in his experience Parvo would not effect all our pups either.
He added an interesting point that he was aware of first hand (being a local authority inspection vet) that some breeders (at ALL levels) are using the Parvo Virus argument as a smoke-screen to keep people away from their premises - as in his experience they can hide what and how they do things along with the numbers of dogs they have !!! He also added that these people also make life difficult for themselves when it comes to inspections as they tend to move dogs about between sites and that too has it's own health and hygiene issues. A larger number of dogs can lead to an increased level of Parvo particles present - and also in His experience - more dogs does not always equal more staff - so each dog cannot get the same level of love; affection; exercise; food; socialisation and sanitation etc etc - so he said it is imperative to meet the puppies parents as their condition will say loads about the owners and their environment.
He said that if you can hear and smell dogs strongly before even getting near to a place - if He was buying a PET - he'd turn and walk away right then !!!
If you can't see Dad for any reason (they could have used a stud dog) then make sure you actually meet; watch and play with Mum (this is something we also openly recommend to everyone).

Stephen xx
 

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Thanks Stephen, it definitely makes sense with peoples shoes bringing parvo virus into the puppy as people don't always take their shoes off and Dexter does like a good chew at a shoe when my backs turned!!! :rolleyes:
 

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Millie had her vaccination at 7 weeks 5 days. My vet was not happy with this, saying that the antibodies given by the mother were still in place - and then I couldn't quite follow their reasoning after that. So Millie had to have a third vaccine before she was allowed at at 12 weeks. I felt the vet way being rather over cautious.

I did however, take her out at 10 weeks, as I needed to. But carried her mostly. Boy did we cause a stir carrying an incredibly cute cockapoo puppy. We couldn't walk more that 5 steps without being stopped. I digress sorry.

I'd heard that guide dogs are let out very early on, before they complete their course of vaccinations because it's more important for their socialisation training. I don't know whether this is true or not.
 

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Excellent read .. thank you Stephen :)

Just for ref each vet is different so please any new puppies owners out there don’t be shocked to hear after the second jab you must keep your puppy in for either 1 week or even 2 weeks... I was advised 1 week for Oakley then 2 weeks for Oakley ..... and my advice would be the same as Stephen - build up a relationship with your vet, like them and respect their views, they are caring for your dog. Also just like picking a breeder, if you don’t like or warm to your vet, change quickly .. as this relationship will be important for many years to come :) hey we are only human after all ... liking and trusting someone is very important.

Like your Breeder :)
Like your Vet :)
Bring on some puppy funny xxx
 

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Stephen and Julia you guys continue to amaze me with your openness and your willingness to go the extra mile, therefore my deposit for another puppy next year will shortly be in the post. Advance notice - we are Nobivac customers!
Thank you SO much.
If, for any reason, we are unable to commit financially to another pup next summer, would you be prepared to carry our deposit forward to the next batch of scrummy pups?

Karen and Rufus xx
 

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Stephen and Julia you guys continue to amaze me with your openness and your willingness to go the extra mile, therefore my deposit for another puppy next year will shortly be in the post. Advance notice - we are Nobivac customers!
Thank you SO much.
If, for any reason, we are unable to commit financially to another pup next summer, would you be prepared to carry our deposit forward to the next batch of scrummy pups?

Karen and Rufus xx

Thanks so much Karen......and Rufus xx

Anyone wanting to place a deposit would not be tied to a specific puppy nor to a specific litter - any deposit placed will be live and active for as long as we breed Cockapoos xx

Stephen xx
 

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Wow, this is absolutely brill, I can't thank you enough for all the extra hard work you do for us all!

Put me down for a Nobivac too (well, my pup, not me haha). :D

When we want a second pup, I know where I will be going :)

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Vaccinations

Hi Stephen and Julia,

Either of the vaccinations quoted would be fine for our puppy, have checked the brands our vets currently use and both are compatible.

Looking forward to our collection date of 30th July!


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Hi Stephen and Julia,

Please could you put us down for Nobivac too, for Pearl's black girl, as that's what our vet uses.

Thank you for all the extra trouble you have gone to over this. xx
 

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Hi Stephen and Julia

You guys certainly do us proud. :)

Thanks so much for all the useful information you have provided, you have certainly made things clearer for alot of us.

Any of the vacinations would be fine for Oscar. :)
 

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Hi JD,Could you please advice me on which vaccine would benefit me the most,as i would like to get Pixie and Buffy out and about as soon as poss and also have our names down for puppy classes,so.....am i correct that Eurican is given at 8 & 12 weeks therefore pups can go out at 13/14 weeks???? and Nobivac is given 8 & 10 weeks with pups able to go out at 12 weeks.....as you can tell the sooner the better so would Nobivac be best,i can get hold of Eurican so thats no problem either....just need to let you know what im doing!....thanks
 

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Stephen

Just checked with our vet, they use whichever vaccine they need to to ensure compatibility. They believe most vets will stock a range of vaccines and will use whatever is appropriate.

Happy to with Nobivac if that is the consensus.

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my vet uses Nobivac at 8 weeks 10 weeks and then out after a week
Fab stuff! Thankyou....will be doing Nobivac then....:) I know its only a matter of a few weeks but will make a difference to me and my brood in the summer hols,dont have to be so house bound! And can start pup classes too

NOBIVAC for Pixie and Buffy please JD. (Mia 2 choc girls)
 

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Stephen

Just checked with our vet, they use whichever vaccine they need to to ensure compatibility. They believe most vets will stock a range of vaccines and will use whatever is appropriate.

Happy to with Nobivac if that is the consensus.

Gemma
If anyone is able to use Eurican then we would prefer to stick with that where possible. Many thanks Julia xx
 
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