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Hi,

I've posted 2/3 times on here, my family and I have recently decided we'd like a cockapoo puppy.

Today we went to see a litter that i'd seen advertised on freeads. I rang and spoke to a very nice lady and arranged to go and see them, she didn't ask any questions about my family and our circumstances which started alarm bells ringing quietly in my head.

Anyway, the owner lives on a small farm and the first thing I saw when we pulled up was some kennels, I use the term "kennels" losely, it wasn't an enclosed building, but just a kind of shelter really, and they were situated quite a way from house. The alarm bells were getting louder!

There were a couple of dogs roaming around outside and as we got out of the car the owner came out and said this is the mum, we weren't given any time with her and she was left outside while we went in to see the puppies.

The puppies were very cute bundles of fluff that couldn't wait to get out of the pen that they were in. By this point i knew we weren't going to find our puppy here, it just didn't feel right.

The puppies came straight over to us and were nipping and biting at my hands, 2 of them were biting at my jumper and had it off my shoulder at one
point! THey just didn't stop biting, it wasn't just the occasional nip. Being a novice at this i'm not sure if this is normal for 8 week old puppies??! I expected a bit of nipping but i have small marks on my hands where they were biting and our first "puppy viewing" wasn't enjoyable! Sorry if i sound ridiculous, I'd have questioned the owner about it had I had a bit of confidence in her!
ALso, there was an odd smell about the puppies. The owner said they'd just had a bath (they were wet) so maybe it was what she'd bathed them in? Or maybe flea drops or something? I do wonder tho, if she had bathed them as i'd only spoken to her and 1 hour and 20 mins earlier - can you bath 4 puppies in that time?? I apologise if I'm may be being really cynical! It was raining outside, might they had just been outside??

Also, there was one little puppy that didn't bite but when i picked him up he was shaking!

As we left, the owner put the puppies back in the pen and one of them was biting furiously at it!

I'm really glad I listened to my head and walked away but I feel almost put off now and not sure if this is "normal puppy behaviour"!

Suzie :(
 

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I don't have much advice to offer, others here will be able to give more, but it sounds like you were right to walk away. Gut instincts are normally correct. The fact the breeder didn't ask any questions of you isn't good.

Good luck in your search for a puppy, there are lots of good breeders out there.

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Thanks Jules for your reply. Also, in the the pen they were in, there was no bed, or toys or blanket or anything. They were just in the pen on a stone floor in the kitchen.
 

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I'm really sorry to hear you've had a bad experience!
It is puppy behaviour to nibble, but that young it should just be a gentle needle teeth nibble lol & shouldn't really be constant I wouldn't think :/ I do feel for the little pups though & the adult dogs if the woman is anything to go by :( They can't be living a great life there.

The breeder should also have asked you questions, she obviously wasn't bothered who her pups went to as long as they got sold! Probably wouldn't have had a contract to return to her if you wanted to rehome for any reason in the future either.

I think you did the right thing to walk away BUT don't let that put you off your search for a cockapoo! Not all breeders will be like that & eventually you'll find your perfect pup :D Maybe be prepared to visit a few breeders before you find one you really like & also be prepared to travel a little further than where you live if you like the sound of a breeder :)

Good luck! You'll find your pup don't worry :) x
 

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Hi Laura, thanks for the reply! We'll keep looking, as you say not all breeders are going to be liked that.

The puppies were biting the whole time, I didn't want to encourage my son to stroke them, they weren't playful nibbling at all.

It is really quite upsetting to think of the life they're going to have and i was upset when we left.

We'll definitely travel further afield to find the right pup, I'm very pleased i didn't listen to my heart instead of my head :)
 

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No problem :) I'm shocked at how they must have been brought up in two short months to be biting like that :( The poor things!

But at the end of the day we can't condone puppy farmers & byb's who don't treat dogs well at all, otherwise they'll just carry on selling for big money :/

Well done you for making yourself walk away :) I can imagine you were upset, i'm even upset thinking about the poor things & I didn't meet them! :(

Good luck with your search & please keep letting us know how you get on :D x
 

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You absolutely did the right thing by walking away, as hard as it was. Typical back yard breeder, it's all about the $$$ for them.

Those puppies sound as if they have been lacking human and social interaction which is so crucial in the early weeks. Nipping is normal, but it sounds as if they were anxious.

My blood boils at people like this. Sadly there are many BYB, but don't give up your search. Support ethical breeders. xoxx
 

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I agree with maplegum, you were absolutely right to walk away and well done for doing so, many people feel sorry for the puppies and buy one anyway, thus creating the market for these people. Keep searching, you will know when you find a good breeder that breeds well, healthtests and cares for their dogs.
Good luck :)
 

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I agree with all of the above comments. It must have been very hard to walk away but if more people were able to do so then people like this might stop breeding. Well done for being strong. :)
 

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Hi All,

Thanks so much for the replies.

I did feel that the puppies probably hadn't been socialised or had much human contact at all really, very sad, I couldn't sleep last night thinking about them, poor things!

Anyway, our search will continue and I'm sure we'll meet some lovely breeders along the way and we will find our puppy.

Thanks again guys

Suzie
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Well done you for walking away... it's not easy when you see lovely bundles
of fluff and feel sorry for them because of their poor enviroment. It's really sad that these breeders are allowed to exist.I hope you have better luck next time.
 

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Hi Suzie.

How horrible for you and your family. I promise there are some fantastic breeders out there... you will find the perfect puppy! Nipping is quite normal but the way you describe it sounds very excessive. If you think the dogs are mistreated in anyway I would contact the RSPCA for piece of mind. It might buck the breeders ideas up?! I would do that if you can't stop thinking about it - at least you have done what you can and can leave it to the pros to decide xx

Good luck with your search.
 

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You did the best thing, there was no proof that the adult dog you saw was the mum as the puppies were not with her, the puppies may well have been stressed and overexcited which will increase the bite behaviour. I would not expect them to be living outside especially at this time of year at the very least they should have had enclosed kennels and some form of heat lamps. There are plenty of responsible breeders in our area, met a lovely year old poo out on a walk the otherday who was bred in Starcross. My offer to meet up still stands I have PM'd you.
 

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Hi Sue,

Thanks ever so much for your reply. I did see your reply in my inbox, sorry I haven't replied yet, have had a bit of a mad week!

.................I'm off now to pm you back!

Suzie
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You did totally the right thing.

Im such a sap I would have wanted to take them all. In my head I know that then just encourages the breeder to breed more in such awful conditions but I find it too hard walking away and leaving the individual that Ive seen. I'll repeat I'm an utter sap about animals.
 

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Don't agonize over it as you definately did the right thing. Just chalk it up to experience and carry on with the search. You will get a gut feeling if the breeder is right or wrong for you. Good luck!
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Hi Suzie.

How horrible for you and your family. I promise there are some fantastic breeders out there... you will find the perfect puppy! Nipping is quite normal but the way you describe it sounds very excessive. If you think the dogs are mistreated in anyway I would contact the RSPCA for piece of mind. It might buck the breeders ideas up?! I would do that if you can't stop thinking about it - at least you have done what you can and can leave it to the pros to decide xx

Good luck with your search.
As per the others, you did absolutely the right thing. I also agree with Susie, I think if we'd had that epxerience I would consider contacting the RSPCA. An inspection from them may be what the puppies need?

Keep up with the search, there are tons of great breeders around :)
 

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Hi Suzie, good luck with your search, we're hoping to get a puppy soon as well. Advice is not to buy puppies over internet but you can definitely look up breeders, I've found a few while looking on internet who have brilliant testimonials, do health checks and provide certificates etc, bet those puppies didn't come with any, it is so sad. We are prob going on a 2 and half hour drive when we get our puppy because I want to be sure I'm getting a healthy happy pup.
 
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