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I took my 10 week cockapoo to the vet for her injections today, the vet was checking her over and Honey growled at her, she doesn't do this often only sometimes when rough playing. The vet said that is not a good sign. I asked her what she meant and she said that if their mum is red they can have an aggressive gene? Her mum was red. Now I'm really worried I have an aggressive dog and having 2 children I am a bit paranoid. Anyone else heard of this?
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If you are like me, then you will worry until you have found some information about this and I found this link......

http://www.thecockerspanielclub.co.uk/rage_syndrome.htm

what happened at the vet is NOTHING like this at all so I really don't think you need to worry at all. It does say it is a bit more likely in certain colours of cocker spaniel.....but it also says it is VERY rare. You could check with the breeder to see if there has been anything like this in the parent lines etc - that would give you some reassurance.
 

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I'm sorry but this sounds like a load of Boll*cks. You poor thing for letting the vet worry you like that! 10 weeks old is a puppy - they don't show aggression at this age - she was scared by a new person - it's their way of telling you she is unhappy. If she was teeth baring and snarling that's a different story but a growl!!!

Please don't let this worry you. I know this is a different situation but I went through a stage with Nacho with taking bones from him when he was little - the amount of growling he made was frightening. He soon learnt who was alpha and I can take most things away from him without him batting an eyelid now - pigs ears more difficult!!

I have never heard of the 'red' gene. Nacho's dad is a red miniature and he was the softest poodle I have ever met!

Do not worry! - Just continue to do what you are doing and i'm sure you will have a well balanced loving cockapoo! xxx
 

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Don't worry. Olive growled and bit my vet after he gave her a shot when she was 10 weeks old. He was not very happy and told me I couldn't let her "win" when she acted like that. When I groom her she sometimes does this to me and I'm just really firm with her so she knows I'm the boss and I get to do what I want with her.

They are puppies and if something hurts them or they don't like it they are going to let you know! It's like little temper tantrums that a child would have.
 

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Your vet is churning out the old cocker rage syndrome, what a crock of poo!! The existence of this condition has been debated for years, many say it's dominance agression that hasn't been addressed, some say it does exist and IF it does it affects more breeds than cockers. I know for definite that neither of these situations applies to such a young puppy!!! What a ridiculous thing to say, back to vet school for your vet would be a suggestion I would put forward.
 

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Erm - dogs growl when unhappy - vet needs to go back to school! If she had bitten him then fair enough - you should be concerned!
The vet should have checked the area again as puppy could be hurting where she touched for some reason - Clyde growled when picked up - we realised it hurt his rib cage - we pick him up differently and he is fine.
Silly Vet - can you change?
Oh I had a 1980's red cocker spaniel - male who did have cocker rage - he was very nasty with other people and snarled and went to Bite - we managed him but it was not an enjoyable dog experience!
 

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The exact same thing happened to me when my puppy was about that age. She remembered that the vet had given her shots and she didn't like it. She was scared and let out a little growl type noise and the vet was horrible to me for it. She is now about 5 months old and we haven't seen any aggression out of her. Sorry this happened to you - try not to worry!
 

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The Boyz' Vet Points Out Possible Bad Stuff Also

Some vets seem to point out the worst possible scenario.

Example: Alvin was diagnosed with an anal glands infection. The vet went from a discussion of the infection to anal gland removal (as in surgery). That's the most drastic measure. Fortunately, the infection cleared up.

That's his MO - make sure the owners know the worst possible prognosis.

And one other thing - different dogs will have different reactions to getting handled by the vet.

Alvin cowers in a corner when he hears the vet's voice and shakes when he's being examined. Some pups growl.
 

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I haven't read all the replies to your post so excuse me if this has been said before but

Find another vet!!!!!!!!


We are lucky enough to have the most lovely vet who is always showering Lolly with love and compliments. A vet is there to advise and reassure - not cause you stress and worry.

Our vet offers free monthly visits to all puppies so that they get used to visiting her when only nice things happen. She plays with them, gives them treats and calmly examines their ears, eyes etc and weighs them to get them used to her handling them. Lolly loves visiting her (even following some uncomfortable treatments). She knows where the toys and treats are and always bounds in as happy as can be!!!
 

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I had this too at the vets. I asked the nurse to check Bodger's ears, he had been weighed etc and had his nails clipped already and had behaved well. He had also had been having ear cleaner put in for about four weeks something he didn't like but never snapped or growled but would run away if he saw the bottle. When she tried to look at his ears he mouthed the air a bit (she approached him from the front ), although he didn't bite her or even come close. I got a lecture and felt really bad but honestly we should all bear in mind that dogs will, on occasion growl and can snap. Of course we should all do our very best to ensure they don't but I was brought up to respect a dog's space, if they are hot, tired, stressed or in pain they may react. If Bodger does anything I don't like he his firmly given 'time out' but it is a learning process. A ten week old puppy is still learning. I had the most placid cross border collie (girl) who never ever showed aggression but she didn't like having her nails clipped. In those days the vet was quite happy to muzzle her, now that may not be the right approach either, I don't know but it stopped anyone getting bitten. I do though think some vets lecture pet owners because, of course there are some who perhaps encourage their dog to be aggressive or do nothing about it but I have to say the vet nurse really annoyed me. Infact I then said to her perhaps bringing him in to be neutered might not be a good idea at which point she said not to worry he would be fine, something to do with £250 perhaps?

You see plenty of dogs being walked and wearing muzzles, perhaps for a variety of reasons but we just see it as responsible dog walking. Why can vets not accept some dogs, despite our very best attempts may just respond in this way.

If someone was poking me about and I didn't understand why, I would get a bit grumpy! I might even bite!
 

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Awww,what a horrible vet! Of course puppies growl! A couple of times,when Dexter has been asleep and we've gone to move him or pick him up whilst still sleepy,he has growled but they are the only times he's ever growled! Dogs are not predictable,if they were we'd all be expert dog owners. Your little pup is still learning and is still just a baby. She was just letting you know she wasn't happy. You're doing the right thing by getting her well socialised with other dogs and people etc. I think this is the single most important thing. It'll make a confident,happy,well rounded dog. Honestly,some vets could do with going to socialisation classes themselves!!
 

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I would change your vet. My last vet scolded me severely for Dexter being too thin (he is no thinner than any other cockapoo I have met) and also nearly had a fit when I said he was being raw fed. My new vet loves cockapoos, says Dexter is a perfect weight and agrees with raw feeding. You do have a right to choose your vet, after all you are paying them!
 

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Our vet offers free monthly visits to all puppies so that they get used to visiting her when only nice things happen. She plays with them, gives them treats and calmly examines their ears, eyes etc and weighs them to get them used to her handling them. Lolly loves visiting her (even following some uncomfortable treatments). She knows where the toys and treats are and always bounds in as happy as can be!!!
I'm seriously thinking of changing mine. Who do you use Janet?
 

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Even though Olive bit my vet when she was 10 weeks old (she didn't bite hard or break skin) she was fine with him today at 14 weeks. And she was in pain today. She had to have infected anal glands drained and a bunch of shots. She didn't growl or snap at him. So it definitely could just be a one time thing. They are young and everything is so new to them.
 

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ok first off vets have to put up with alot, they often get dogs in when they are in pain or distress, so they see the worst side of your dog. they also are often the person who has to inflict some form of pain on them, be it ingections or touching something that realy hurts.

so he is probably just picking up on this so you will do something before it gets out of hand.

just lots of touching, get her used to it.

re the cocker rage, my mum had a red cocker who was fab. but i know several red cockers at work whe need muzzled when grooming. and it not always posible to dry their feet because they go skitzo when your try. now i am the first to say that its all down their training or lack their of. however, it is almost alwas red cockers. the black are fine, the blue roan tend to be howlers. so i beleave there is something in it. how ever i dont think her mu being red will have had the effect your vet says.

gypsy gave the vet a funny look when last in for her vacc, and she asked me if she needed muzzled. i said no and just held her into me.
 
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